tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post112078524259825122..comments2023-08-15T01:24:39.187-03:00Comments on The Other Side of Truth: Ufology's Top 10Paul Kimballhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1148481446764046352006-05-24T11:37:00.000-03:002006-05-24T11:37:00.000-03:00Dear Paul, I think that your list of prominent uf...Dear Paul, <BR/><BR/>I think that your list of prominent ufologists is outstanding! Dr. J. Allen Hynek and Maj. Donald Keyhoe were truly two of THE great pioneers in the field of ufology.<BR/><BR/>I would also like to suggest longtime, respected ufo investigator Raymond E. Fowler as one of the finest researchers in the field. Mr. Fowler's first book, "UFOS: Interplanetary Visitors," dealing with Mr. Fowler's extensive investigation of ufo sightings in his home area of New England, is an extremely compelling book on the existence of this long-standing, and truly perplexing phenomenon.<BR/><BR/>Of course, I was delighted to see James Moseley's name included in your list of "top-ten ufologists." Mr. Moseley's book, "Shockingly Close to the Truth," is ufology's (or as Mr. Moseley mischievously refers to it as, "ufoology's") answer to Jim Bouton's uproariously funny and totally irreverent, tell-all baseball book, "Ball Four."<BR/><BR/>It was an absolute delight to read Mr. Moseley's personal reminiscences of such ufological giants as Dr. Hynek, Maj. Keyhoe, Stanton Friedman, Capt. Edward Ruppelt, Kewvin Randle, and, of course, "Dr." (or is it "Prof."?) George Adamski! Mr. Jim Moseley truly IS ufology's "gossip-guru," the Samuel Pepys (or, perhaps, the current day Walter Winchell?) of ufology!<BR/><BR/>And, as "Dr./Prof." Adamski was unfailingly wont to say, "Only time will tell!" <BR/><BR/>Ken, a lifelong UFO "Nut"!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1121639350187826032005-07-17T19:29:00.000-03:002005-07-17T19:29:00.000-03:00Paul, I'm surprised you've excluded ufologist John...Paul, I'm surprised you've excluded ufologist John Keel who largely was responsible for popularizing the "new ufology" (way back then)with his major work, Operation Trojan Horse ((New York, NY: GP Putman's Sons, 1970), basically showing a similarity between angels and demons and ufonauts. A very similar view was shared by Jacques Vallee in Passport to Magonia. <BR/>You might want to add Aime Michel, too, whose detailed work, Flying Saucers and The Straight Line Mystery (US/British title, 1954), broke some new theoretical ground, albeit generally discredited by his (later) friend, Vallee. I believe his published work was the first major concentration on UFO landings and pint-sized entities, which focused on close-encounter reports in 1950s' France. <BR/>This brief bio on Michel may be of interest:<BR/><BR/>Originally a columnist at the RTF (note from translator: French, state-run radio and television agencies), the author later expressed its interest in UFOs, and wrote two major books regarding the French contribution to "UFOlogy": "Lueurs sur les soucoupes volantes" (New lights on the flying saucers), in 1954, and "Mystérieux objets célestes" (Mysterious celestial objects) in 1958. In the 60's, he wrote also numerous papers for the magazine "Planète", especially on paranormal phenomenon, and on several physical aspects relative to the state of religious ecstasy. At the same time, he published papers in the science magazine "Science et Vie" (Science and Life). He was fascinated by the Human mind, whatever it could be found: from animals to UFOs. Michel became a friend of Jacques Vallée and Jacques Bergier in the 60's. Michel is at the origin of the theory called "orthoténie", which states that UFO "landings" appear as points on straight lines when reported on a map. Vallée later demonstrated that these "alignments" were only artefactual. At the end of its life, he modestly claimed that all he learnt about "flying saucers" could fit on the surface of a post stamp. [end quote]<BR/><BR/>http://www.finart.be/UfocomHq/usaime_michel.htm<BR/><BR/>And, finally, you might also find this piece of my own personal ufological nostalgia of some interest:<BR/><BR/>The parallels that Vallee exposes between a wide variety of mystic, folkloric and religious experiences and many modern day phenomena establish almost undeniably that these events are part of a common experience. There is, quite rightly, no attempt to suggest what this might be, although Vallee allows himself a little fun putting forward some of-the-cuff explanations (which are simultaneously highly improbable and extremely plausible) to show just how easy theory-mongering is. Ufologist Gary Leslie has suggested in a letter published in MUFOB vol. 3, no. 5 (November 1970) that Vallee has arrived at much the same conclusions as Keel, but by an independent chain of reasoning. I cannot accept this, and although the two books do not contradict each other, I feel that Keel has gone further in attempting to draw at least the outline of a possible explanation from the material he has gathered. Vallee on the other hand has kept open a wider spectrum of possibilities, and in doing so will probably irritate those who like their UFO books to have cut and dried conclusions. [end quote]<BR/>http://www.magonia.demon.co.uk/arc/70/fairy.htm<BR/><BR/>[excerpted from "The UFO is alive and well and living in Fairyland," by John Rimmer, printed in the Dec. 1970 issue of the Merseyside UFO Bulletin]<BR/><BR/>Aaaah, the good ol' daze...<BR/><BR/>Happy Flyin' Discs To Ya,<BR/>Gary Ray Lesley <BR/>:()Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1121108340763989652005-07-11T15:59:00.000-03:002005-07-11T15:59:00.000-03:00Mac:Funny you should mention that - should be up l...Mac:<BR/><BR/>Funny you should mention that - should be up later today! Guaranteed to cause more than a few people to burn me in effigy.<BR/><BR/>PaulPaul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1121038295984239042005-07-10T20:31:00.000-03:002005-07-10T20:31:00.000-03:00Forget the Top Ten -- let's see the Bottom Ten!Forget the Top Ten -- let's see the Bottom Ten!Machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11074004681516756703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1120866618659584452005-07-08T20:50:00.000-03:002005-07-08T20:50:00.000-03:00Dante:Actually, I think Vallee's website mentions ...Dante:<BR/><BR/>Actually, I think Vallee's website mentions that one of his key interests in unidentified aerial phenomena.<BR/><BR/>PaulPaul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1120864635606475492005-07-08T20:17:00.000-03:002005-07-08T20:17:00.000-03:00I'm just a sap for notoriety or 15 minutes of fame...I'm just a sap for notoriety or 15 minutes of fame -- make that 15 seconds in my case.<BR/><BR/>RRRRRGrouphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04875523970644487204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1120862347738653392005-07-08T19:39:00.000-03:002005-07-08T19:39:00.000-03:00Rich:But it's not just about making a public dent ...Rich:<BR/><BR/>But it's not just about making a public dent (the primary reasons why Friedman and Keyhoe make the list), despite our media age. It's also about things like who has made the greatest impact in terms of actually discovering the nature of the UFO phenomenon, etc etc (all the factors I listed).<BR/><BR/>Most people don't know who Sir John Barrow was, and yet without him the history of the 19th century would have been different. Public recognition isn't the be-all and end-all.<BR/><BR/>PaulPaul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1120828718431572462005-07-08T10:18:00.000-03:002005-07-08T10:18:00.000-03:00Paul (and Kyle)..A proper list, and RRRGroup's CJ ...Paul (and Kyle)..<BR/><BR/>A proper list, and RRRGroup's CJ was having fun, which is a lost art in the ufological community, except for Moseley and Stuart Miller.<BR/><BR/>But Paul, you're marking on the curve.<BR/><BR/>In the great scheme of things, only the great Friedman and Keyhoe make (or made) a public dent, while Vallee makes a private, albeit significant dent.<BR/><BR/>Although a few names on your list elude me, I accept your Top 10 as bona fide....within ufology, but not the over all world of science or anything else.<BR/><BR/>RRRRRGrouphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04875523970644487204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1120807179347841762005-07-08T04:19:00.000-03:002005-07-08T04:19:00.000-03:00Kyle:Oh, Chris meant well, and his point wasn't en...Kyle:<BR/><BR/>Oh, Chris meant well, and his point wasn't entirely off the mark. Besides, I was going to do this one of these days anyway. As for firing an ICBM, I'm a neo-con (or so I'm told by people who have no idea who I am, or what I believe) - I guess it's what we do!<BR/><BR/>If I had to take the dead ufologists out, I'd "promote" Sparks, Clark, Haines and Maccabee to the Top 10.<BR/><BR/>And, like him or not, Moseley deserves to be there for longevity, if no other reason (and there are others). Plus, there are certain ufologists who will go nuts over his inclusion, which is always a good thing!<BR/><BR/>PaulPaul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1120806458446156782005-07-08T04:07:00.000-03:002005-07-08T04:07:00.000-03:00Paul -Excellent, well thought-out list.While I mig...Paul -<BR/><BR/>Excellent, well thought-out list.<BR/><BR/>While I might swap Clark and Moseley, the names are all there.<BR/><BR/>RRRGroup's post was penned by Chris Jay, the chihuahua nipping anxiously at Ufologies pant leg, hoping for some attention, and maybe a nice table scrap.<BR/><BR/>His list was a poke...nothing more.<BR/><BR/>Your post is a fair, if brief, compendium of those most qualified to hold the title "Ufologist".<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, 4 of your top 10 are no longer living, and that provides a shake-up if you specify living researchers.<BR/><BR/>If I were to inject anything into the list, I might add an author...Arthur C. Clarke.<BR/><BR/>While not in the UFO field per se, his writings inform on how UFOs...if really real...might travel, communicate, and interact with humans. His "2001" does a remarkable job of resolving the scientific and the spiritual into one cohesive "thing".<BR/><BR/>His thoughts on life elsewhere presupposes the ETH, and he firmly believes the evidence indicates life on other planets in our solar system, which may be announced very soon.<BR/><BR/>All in all, I find little argument with your choices.<BR/><BR/>But you've fired an ICBM to counter a firecracker. And the firecracker was a dud anyway.<BR/><BR/>I applaud your restraint. *LOL*<BR/><BR/>Best,<BR/><BR/>Kyle<BR/>UFOreflections.blogspot.comKylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09252536566286869906noreply@blogger.com