tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post2849865506510974303..comments2023-08-15T01:24:39.187-03:00Comments on The Other Side of Truth: The Alien Abduction CultPaul Kimballhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-57908197350807046262013-05-21T11:38:15.325-03:002013-05-21T11:38:15.325-03:00I think some of the people need mental help howeve...I think some of the people need mental help however I also think its arrogant ( considering the vastness of the universe) to completely write off the possibility. Sincerely Shannon <br />McclaryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-11960009205702027752012-07-19T13:17:27.784-03:002012-07-19T13:17:27.784-03:00Ok you guys all need some education on modern abdu...Ok you guys all need some education on modern abduction research such details i can give you and yes there is such a thing as modern alien abduction research and i'm not talking about hypnosis although it is used very carefuly (as long as the researcher is educated on the subject and how to hypnotise someone who is suspected to be an abductee) which sadly most ppl know nothing about abductions they just say what the want to say without looking at much of anything. THERE IS NO UFO ABDUCTION CULT it's not a cult the abductees are def real ppl having real experiences (even if it's just in there head they see,feel,touch,smell,etc everything that happens either is real or seems real to them) no matter what those are the only two possibilities everything they do follows the laws of nature and it makes sense even in human context there's no high strangness or anything like that just advanced physics that seem to be remniscent of quantum theory and WE OURSELVES have delved into some of their areas of technology like artificial whombs (japan) stealth fighter (invisible to radar) so think about that for a second our own gov't has planes invisible to radar. They have stimoceivers which are similar to the implants found and removed and tested from dozens of abductees the things that happen in abductions are not far out or weird it's things we do everyday we take pigs and breed them specifically for food they have strange things done to them painful procedures (tail docking) (ear clipping) sound familiar (scoop marks) but of course in our arogance which will be the downfall of the human race we think our thoughts encompass everything and we know what can and can't travel through space shit we act like we own the whole goddammed universe shit we can't even see 90 percent of our own universe what do we really know whats out there i mean come on what arroganceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-72479623627881551162012-03-24T08:05:44.876-03:002012-03-24T08:05:44.876-03:00Hypnosis is not regarded as a 100% trust worthy to...Hypnosis is not regarded as a 100% trust worthy tool to elucidate some truth or hidden problems .The methods applied in hypnosis is also quite doubtful .In medical or forensics now it is considered in a ambiguous protocol to be trusted . So how the data retrieved from this method is regarded as to be error free trust-able true data to prove the UFO abduction cases . In my medical carrier I have seen so many psychotic peoples who claimed they have been able to see ghost but latter in all time those were proved out to be false . So there are evidences that some alien crafts and space ships had been photo graphed and captured by NASA and so many photographers and there are some true supporting evidences regarding UFOs are also there but why they will take some human and waste their time and UFO craft's fuel anyway ? They are more intelligent beings then us humans .They may have Several advanced scientific methods to know about human beings ,so why these nonsense activities they(Alien) will do in any way and what for ? I am totally confused whenever I think about these claimed phenomenons . Kindly sir can you help convey me what is the truth ?<br /> waiting for your benevolent and esteemed words of real truth <br />Dr.Subhransu Sekhar <br />Ms(pharmaceutical biotech )<br />Odisha ,Indiasubhransuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06708171824825301141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-9490617132707324562011-11-20T20:36:58.835-04:002011-11-20T20:36:58.835-04:00Im very happy that someone like yourself isnt buyi...Im very happy that someone like yourself isnt buying this as a viable experience, just because they (so called witness), said it happened to them. Im a Clinical Psychologist with 30 years of experience, listening to many hundreds of people, regarding virtualy all problems of living. I can tell you right up front that Hypnosis is worthless,as a fact finding method. Human beings live in their thoughts and those thoughts as well as their memories, often have little to do with reality. I see this as a Psycho-social phenomenon, where one mind in need of a sense of "specialness" feeds on another mind to bring that about. Dr.Richard H. Pratt.Dr.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13402889216336155747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-26565798080668065712011-10-11T07:38:55.595-03:002011-10-11T07:38:55.595-03:00Frankly, your smugness makes me not really care wh...<i>Frankly, your smugness makes me not really care whether or not you believe any of it.</i><br /><br />And yet, here you are, feeling obliged to post as "Anonymous"...<br /><br />Tell you what - when you decide that you can stop playing about and actually post something under your real name, then I might take what you say seriously...<br /><br />Oh, wait - you seem to think that there's evidence of "testing at Los Alamos", presumably of either aliens or their alleged abduction victims. <br /><br />Nope. You can post under whatever name you want, and so long as you believe unsubstantiated garbage like that, nothing you say will be of any interest to any rational person.<br /><br />Adios.<br /><br />PKPaul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-51800393250996954032011-10-11T01:07:18.323-03:002011-10-11T01:07:18.323-03:00No evidence? Have you looked for evidence? I am sk...No evidence? Have you looked for evidence? I am skeptical that you have exhaustively researched the subject if you seriously think there is no evidence out there. If you have exhaustively researched the subject, and dismiss all of the evidence that has been documented (extraterrestrial materials removed from peoples' bodies and tested at Los Alamos, etc) ...good luck to you. Closing your eyes and sticking your fingers in your ears won't make it go away. Frankly, your smugness makes me not really care whether or not you believe any of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-17973048940758087472011-07-08T02:01:17.890-03:002011-07-08T02:01:17.890-03:00I am just uniquely fascinated about these cases. T...I am just uniquely fascinated about these cases. There should be a logical explanation why so many people claim such events, if not, then why would people take the trouble of doing so?Accurate Psychic Readingshttp://www.authenticpsychicreadings.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-89855122822762663982011-03-15T02:17:57.374-03:002011-03-15T02:17:57.374-03:00Photos? Cell phone videos? Physical evidence lef...Photos? Cell phone videos? Physical evidence left behind? Non-terrestrial metals? ANYTHING?<br /><br />We know now that the smallest amounts of trace evidence can be assessed through scientific methods. There are many who claim to have been abducted and yet there is no physical evidence left behind, or carried with them? Ridiculous.<br /><br />As for UFOs, imagine interplanetary travel that is not detected by every national govt. with advance technology. And yet, all of them manage to keep this secret? <br /><br />It is absurd, and laughably so. There are real crises and enormous social problems in the world. Why not turn your attention to them, or are they too real and too demanding in terms of real action?Thaddeushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09240415835743068755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-39577506062546574642008-03-30T05:21:00.000-03:002008-03-30T05:21:00.000-03:00I am so grateful to have come across this article ...I am so grateful to have come across this article and I thank you. I am going through the very real pain and trauma watching people I care about completely be used and manipulated. I even started seeing aliens-becoming terrified-it is an insidious mind control technique that spreads once the "hypnotist" and "scientists" put the details of your abduction into your head. It is reckless, careless and dangerous-to the point where even I -a firm believer in science, reasoning, and FREE WILL was affected. I would walk up to what I was "thinking" I was seeing and touch it-to prove they were just trash bags fluttterring in the wind. But as I had one of the researchers on the phone with me- they were saying-oh yes- this has been seen before-and it was a trash bag! It is easy to manipulate and hypnotize certain people-especially those that sufferred serious trauma. I am so upset about what is happenning-and being pushed away as I try to add logic and break down the argument. I have completely lost my grandmother to these people and they know full well what they are doing. And- beautiful point- you did not exclude the possibility of paranormal-and Im sure Descartes is rolling over in his grave at the complete abandonment of the scientific method! It will be hard to chart an honest inquiry the more it is tainted.you do care and are speaking for those who cannot. And not to mention the government is probably glad for all the free cover-ups.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-46226736340585234302007-12-03T05:08:00.000-04:002007-12-03T05:08:00.000-04:00Hmmm.. The ufos that were photographed over Washin...Hmmm.. The ufos that were photographed over Washington DC and put on the cover of Look magazine back in the 60's wasn't good enough for you? Swamp gas, no doubt. Or did they trot out the tired old "inversion layer" excuse? You sound a LOT like a shill for {whomever}, and since no evidence or proof whatever will change your mind, your blogging is just a lot of blather. I'll not waste my valuable time and resources any further.<BR/>An Anonymous AbducteeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-83061659285271859792007-02-15T03:23:00.000-04:002007-02-15T03:23:00.000-04:00The Zerubians have no need to speak anyhting other...The Zerubians have no need to speak anyhting other than the Extra-terrestrial truth. But thanks anyways.<BR/><BR/>Zerubians at:<BR/>http://www.czuzone.teach-nology.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-40540592916257570982007-01-24T13:16:00.000-04:002007-01-24T13:16:00.000-04:00And Paul, with respect, excuse me if U am being un...And Paul, with respect, excuse me if U am being unable to take your guarantees seriously.Don Maorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501920515893210306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-53766463036626660012007-01-24T13:14:00.000-04:002007-01-24T13:14:00.000-04:00Well, even if Hopkins is wrong...
At least he is t...Well, even if Hopkins is wrong...<br />At least he is trying to do something for abductees. Dr. J. E. Mcdonald had a favourite quote that said something like this:<br />"A mistake is an evidence of someone trying to make something"<br /><br />Mainstream medical people and psicologists are not curing the abductee's "disease". And that is also a fault. ¿Is someone at the mainstream "whatever" helping abductees? Nobody. ¿Is someone going to pay for that? NO.Don Maorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501920515893210306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-33675664692567855792007-01-24T00:06:00.000-04:002007-01-24T00:06:00.000-04:00Don:
Yup, I guarantee it. A story like that can't...Don:<br /><br />Yup, I guarantee it. A story like that can't be covered up. <br /><br />As for Hopkins et al, you can believe what you want about what they're doing, but in my books they're not just abusing "science" (they're not even practising it), they're abusing the people they claim to be helping. Someday, somewhere, they'll have to answer for that.<br /><br />PaulPaul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-63879777914566897062007-01-23T17:44:00.000-04:002007-01-23T17:44:00.000-04:00Dear Paul:
¿So now you are a professional guarant...Dear Paul:<br /><br />¿So now you are a professional guaranteer? Excuse me Paul but you can guarantee NOTHING in the name of science or the mainstream media. Both science and media have made BIG mistakes in the past. So you can not come here and say "I guarantee you". At all.<br /><br />I am an engineer, i know how science works. They told me a lot of science. I love Science. And Hopkins is not abusing any scientific practice that I know.Don Maorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501920515893210306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-33907106280146866932007-01-23T16:40:00.000-04:002007-01-23T16:40:00.000-04:00Don:
Well, we agree to disagree then - Hopkins' w...Don:<br /><br />Well, we agree to disagree then - Hopkins' work is both unscientific and dangerous. I don't need Susan Clancy to tell me that. As for the supposed physical evidence, if it was definitive of anything abnormal, I can guarantee you that mainstream science and the media would have been all over it by now.<br /><br />PaulPaul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-27094738675263607312007-01-23T15:23:00.000-04:002007-01-23T15:23:00.000-04:00Not all abductions are collected through hypnosis....Not all abductions are collected through hypnosis. There are abduction cases in which more that one witness report the same thing. According to Hopkins, there are some soil and vegetation disturbances, and some scoop marks in abductees’ bodies. I have seen the same scoop marks in Bill Chalker’s book. <br /><br />Regarding Hopkins scientific mind, take for example the work of Susan Clancy. There are simply TOO many methodological mistakes in her work. She claims to be a scientist, but she is not behaving like one.Don Maorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501920515893210306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-4163466407837299032007-01-20T17:33:00.000-04:002007-01-20T17:33:00.000-04:00Don:
Budd Hopkins is an artist who is better scie...Don:<br /><br /><i>Budd Hopkins is an artist who is better scientist than many formal scientists.</i><br /><br />With respect, that's ridiculous.<br /><br /><i>No evidence? Too many people are saying also that there is no evidence for Evolution Theory. So what?</i><br /><br />With respect, that's irrelevant. <br /><br />Where is this evidence you talk about? The kind that I described in the post - not the kind of "evidence" elicited memories through hypnosis.<br /><br />PaulPaul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-29649378008098649112007-01-20T12:53:00.000-04:002007-01-20T12:53:00.000-04:00Budd Hopkins is an artist who is better scientist ...Budd Hopkins is an artist who is better scientist than many formal scientists.<br /><br />No evidence? Too many people are saying also that there is no evidence for Evolution Theory. So what?Don Maorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501920515893210306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-38411198993229608272007-01-14T19:53:00.000-04:002007-01-14T19:53:00.000-04:00I recently listened to a interview with Bill Chalk...I recently listened to a interview with Bill Chalker- a researcher in Australia. He did research into what is known as the "Peter Khoury Case" and analyzed a hair sample. Heard a pretty interesting hour long interview with him that can be heard here:<br />http://www.ghostradiox.com/phantom/archives_blazek.asp<br />Comes across as sane. Seems like there was something pretty odd about that hair. I think there are a number of abduction cases that point to something physical happening (though I think the vast majority of cases are cooked up by the minds of unstable folks)- I also find a possible DMT/abduction link intriguing (though I don't think this would account for physical abductions).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-54964951885241144392007-01-13T20:41:00.000-04:002007-01-13T20:41:00.000-04:00In the end, I think you just need to take care, in...<i>In the end, I think you just need to take care, in your admirable zeal to find the truth, not to use blanket statements like "absolute nonsense" about alien abductions, or "abduction cult" etc. You nullify any honest questioning you might have by revealing that you have already arrived at your conclusion, and then proceed to justify it.</i><br /><br />Ah, but I haven't reached a conclusion about the nature of what these people claim to be experiencing - my conclusion is instead about the way they have been used by the Alien Abduction Cult - people who are wholly unqualified, by either training or objectivity, to deal with this (Dr. John Mack being a notable exception, but note that he never said thousands of people were being abducted by aliens). <br /><br /><i>BTW, I often read your blog and enjoy it very much (even when I don't agree...;o)</i><br /><br />I appreciate it, and your popping by. Variety of opinion is the spice of life! :-)<br /><br />PaulPaul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-72500191248905646972007-01-13T20:09:00.000-04:002007-01-13T20:09:00.000-04:00Well Paul, I see your point, but I think your stil...Well Paul, I see your point, but I think your still missing mine ;o)<br /><br />If an ET landed in front of the UN, it certainly would make the news, but after it flew off, we'd be having the same old arguments. Was it real or faked? Was it an alien or a gov't stunt? If the president came on and said, "it was nothing", well, we'd have to believe him wouldn't we, no matter what the "evidence" said. <br /><br />In the end, I think you just need to take care, in your admirable zeal to find the truth, not to use blanket statements like "absolute nonsense" about alien abductions, or "abduction cult" etc. You nullify any honest questioning you might have by revealing that you have already arrived at your conclusion, and then proceed to justify it. <br /><br />BTW, I often read your blog and enjoy it very much (even when I don't agree...;o)Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15878549531375667074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-32933848571336390092007-01-13T18:17:00.000-04:002007-01-13T18:17:00.000-04:00My point is that, short of being abducted yourself...<i>My point is that, short of being abducted yourself, there will never be a case that will give you irrefutable evidence. Can I give you irrefutable proof that the holocaust occured? Absolutely not...that is why holocaust denial still flourishes</i><br /><br />I'm going to start conducting seminars on evidence, and standards and burdens of proof. People in ufology need it. :-)<br /><br />Of course you can prove the Holocaust happened, beyond a reasonable doubt. That's why, outside of a loony fringe, Holocaust denial <i>does not</i> flourish.<br /><br />The same cannot be said for the ETH. I don't think anyone would argue that if an alien walked out of a spaceship in front of the UN, then the ETH would be, beyond any reasonable doubt, the ETFact (well, a few nuts might argue it, once they got finished with trying to convince people that the moon landings never happened).<br /><br />PaulPaul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-32677691243182493472007-01-13T15:20:00.000-04:002007-01-13T15:20:00.000-04:00My point is that, short of being abducted yourself...My point is that, short of being abducted yourself, there will never be a case that will give you irrefutable evidence. Can I give you irrefutable proof that the holocaust occured? Absolutely not...that is why holocaust denial still flourishes. We have all kinds of evidence that it occured, but as the naysayers will tell you, can you really trust it? They can offer a mundane explanation for any piece of evidence brought forward. In the end, all we have are the testimony of witnesses who survived it. So again, I really think that you will never have that piece of "irrefutable evidence" that you want, simply because you will always offer an alternative explanation. Do you see my point? Like Hynek said in his article, a skeptic could claim that the huge chevron shaped object was nothing more than small planes flying in formation, and tada! the whole thing is written off. I appreciate the need for skepticism and "proof", but simply offering mundane explanations to every piece of data will get us nowhere.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15878549531375667074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-2962804177815442602007-01-13T02:12:00.000-04:002007-01-13T02:12:00.000-04:00Gilligan:
Yes, absolutely - one case is all you n...Gilligan:<br /><br />Yes, absolutely - one case is all you need to prove that something happened in that one case. But here's the challenge for you, or anyone else:<br /><br />Name the one "alien abduction" case that provides <i>irrefutable</i> proof that a person or persons have been abducted by aliens, as opposed to something else (even assuming they have had an "experience", or at least think they have).<br /><br />Just one.<br /><br />PaulPaul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.com