tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post2022334417863233597..comments2023-08-15T01:24:39.187-03:00Comments on The Other Side of Truth: Roger Leir diesPaul Kimballhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-48019277286875460842014-03-19T07:15:52.140-03:002014-03-19T07:15:52.140-03:00Hi Kandinsky,
Good to hear from you again!
I agr...Hi Kandinsky,<br /><br />Good to hear from you again!<br /><br />I agree with you 100%. The amazing thing about these grifters is that so many people who should know better don't say anything, even when the misfeasance is obvious to anyone outside ufology (the David Jacobs fiasco is a prime example). But as you say, this isn't a failing unique to those interested in UFOs - all human endeavors have people who will take advantage of the well-meaning but gullible rubes who want to believe and buy into what the con-men are selling. It just seems that in ufology, the credulity of the marks is higher than most other areas.<br /><br />Paul Paul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-35161935664649131702014-03-19T03:28:40.217-03:002014-03-19T03:28:40.217-03:00Hello Paul, I hope you're well.
I tend to agr...Hello Paul, I hope you're well.<br /><br />I tend to agree with the idea that Leir was in it for the money-a grifter.<br /><br />How else could one explain his association with Derrel Sims? Why else would he inject himself (after the fact) into the claims surrounding that Kumburgaz UFO footage? Self-promotion and financial gain makes sense. <br /><br />He received a free ride from several names in the abduction field and that, for me, holds its own implications. However, when folk choose to actively support Leir, the *silence* of prominent researchers was also telling. <br /><br />Seems like every sector attracts grifters, thieves and embezzlers...and yet the idea that some researchers are/were unethical, amoral and predatory is lost on a huge swathe of the paranormal market. <br /><br />Anyway, take it easy Paul and keep swinging. Kandinskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11598864214791609926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-2945660232123012692014-03-15T23:39:54.354-03:002014-03-15T23:39:54.354-03:00Gordon,
I'm a filmmaker by profession. I know...Gordon,<br /><br />I'm a filmmaker by profession. I know the business, and I know exactly what Leir was up to. There's a difference between having no head for business and running a scam. Perhaps someone should ask this question - given that the film was never made, what did he do with the money that he raised for it? <br /><br />As for the rest of his work, cutting into people for no good reason is unethical and dangerous. I always considered Leir to be both.<br /><br />In short, I stand by everything that I wrote.<br /><br />PKPaul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-39464711734572725462014-03-15T23:37:13.034-03:002014-03-15T23:37:13.034-03:00Actually, Madjourno, I not only wrote it while he ...Actually, Madjourno, I not only wrote it while he was still alive - I told him to his face at the IUFOC that he was full of it, and that I had no doubt that he was either running a scam, delusional, or a sad combination of the two.Paul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-41632794164731427252014-03-15T23:06:22.806-03:002014-03-15T23:06:22.806-03:00Paul K wrote "But Leir no doubt pocketed some...Paul K wrote "But Leir no doubt pocketed some coin from the suckers willing to suspend disbelief and donate."<br /><br />I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have written this while he was alive or you could well have been sued.<br /><br />How do you know WHAT he did with the money?<br /><br />As for his idea of making a film, it could be argued that this was better than simply asking for money - at least the punters would be getting something extra - or they would be if the film ever got made.<br />madjournohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10790895857336027411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-87779710538140595032014-03-15T22:51:46.417-03:002014-03-15T22:51:46.417-03:00Pretty harsh, Paul. I really have no view on Roger...Pretty harsh, Paul. I really have no view on Roger Leir's work, but if there is a possibility that there is such a thing as "alien implants" then the issue should be researched. And to opine without evidence that Leir's only motive in his film venture was to scam money from naïve investors is over-the-top. All you've convince me of at this point is that he had no head for business.<br /><br />Perhaps you have evidence that you have not provided for this attack on the recently deceased. If not, you owe his friends and family an apology.<br /><br />Gordon PowGordon Pownoreply@blogger.com