tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post115732605163326065..comments2023-08-15T01:24:39.187-03:00Comments on The Other Side of Truth: Rod Brock: "Ignoring History"Paul Kimballhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1158204889352284622006-09-14T00:34:00.000-03:002006-09-14T00:34:00.000-03:00Odd:We need to keep all possibilities open, not ju...Odd:<BR/><BR/><I>We need to keep all possibilities open, not just the ones that appeal to us.</I><BR/><BR/>Exactly so!<BR/><BR/>PaulPaul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1157734553342910202006-09-08T13:55:00.000-03:002006-09-08T13:55:00.000-03:00We need to keep all possibilities open, not just t...We need to keep all possibilities open, not just the ones that appeal to us. It’s interesting that the “null hypothesis” and PSH are psychological terms. I’ve several minds about this, one thread runs thusly;<BR/><BR/>Let’s say we are an intelligent species performing some kind of task with a population on a nondescript planet somewhere. One of the task goals is that the native population not be utterly transformed by the task, or only changed in such a way that conforms with the other task goals. Certain psychological games are played in an attempt to burn-in some mindset or motif into the gestalt of the native population. The objective is for most members of the native society to be unsure that anything is happening at all, those who are the subjects of the game are carefully chosen to not have too much influence so as to create a kind of background hum that won’t intrude on the lives of most people. Each experience is tailored to each individual so that their stories won’t match. <BR/><BR/>The given in this scenario are, entities capable of star travel ( or really good camouflage.) Entities that have a very deep understanding of human psychology, better than our own as a matter of fact. Entities that work in almost geologic time spans. It’s one very unlikely scenario, but one that fits an abundance of the facts. <BR/><BR/>My point is, if we accept the ETH out of hand we must begin assume a vast, mind numbingly complex program spanning many thousands of years—we probably will never comprehend what it's for.<BR/><BR/>Or it could be some shared hallucination triggered by an external phenomena. We really don’t know yet. That’s why I think the witnesses need to be studied far more closely. Certain segments of the ‘biz’ are studying their stories but that (to me at least) is becoming more and more counter-productive.The Odd Emperorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09127387562675002576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1157504162866787022006-09-05T21:56:00.000-03:002006-09-05T21:56:00.000-03:00TOE:The problem is not favouring one theory, but p...TOE:<BR/><BR/>The problem is not favouring one theory, but promoting that theory as a proven fact, in the process ignoring evidence that might indicate that other theories, including the dreaded and much-maligned "null hypothesis" (and the equally dreaded and much-maligned "psycho-social hypothesis") may also be valid.<BR/><BR/>PaulPaul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1157504030588048512006-09-05T21:53:00.000-03:002006-09-05T21:53:00.000-03:00Favoring one theory over another is part of doing ...Favoring one theory over another is part of doing science. Theories are just models of what might be. They have to be falsifiable or they are not theories by definition. Faith neither requires nor desires the scientific trappings of theory. Faith by definition cannot be falsifiable.The Odd Emperorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09127387562675002576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1157487644401479882006-09-05T17:20:00.000-03:002006-09-05T17:20:00.000-03:00"Actually, he shows a willingness to speak some tr..."Actually, he shows a willingness to speak some truths that are rarely, if ever, spoken of in the hallowed halls of the pro-ETH clique within ufology"<BR/><BR/>but his speculations have been heard from all kind of skeptics since the 50ies...<BR/><BR/>Nothing new.Don Maorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501920515893210306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1157404677958998962006-09-04T18:17:00.000-03:002006-09-04T18:17:00.000-03:00UFOlogy as a field (and I’m taking the average “lo...<I>UFOlogy as a field (and I’m taking the average “look” from my POV.) seems to be more interested in proving what UFOs and are and not eliminating what they are not. This is far more akin to religious scholarship than some sort of scientific pursuit</I><BR/><BR/>This is true of the believers, but then they're not trying to "prove" anything - instead, they're trying to convert the masses, or make themselves feel better. The more serious and reasonable ufologists(i.e. the ones without the need to replace God with aliens), even if they favour the ETH as a theory, are still usually willing to admit that they don't know what UFOs are.<BR/><BR/>PaulPaul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1157404481990445682006-09-04T18:14:00.000-03:002006-09-04T18:14:00.000-03:00The guy shows light and irrelevant conclusions, un...<I>The guy shows light and irrelevant conclusions, unwillingness to study the evidences, etc.</I><BR/><BR/>Actually, he shows a willingness to speak some truths that are rarely, if ever, spoken of in the hallowed halls of the pro-ETH clique within ufology.<BR/><BR/>PaulPaul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1157393836077049942006-09-04T15:17:00.000-03:002006-09-04T15:17:00.000-03:00The guy shows light and irrelevant conclusions, u...The guy shows light and irrelevant conclusions, unwillingness to study the evidences, etc.<BR/><BR/>he says: "may be yes, may be not" i ask: ¿what if we focus on evidences of strange phenomena instead? They exist.Don Maorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09501920515893210306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1157390462708310072006-09-04T14:21:00.000-03:002006-09-04T14:21:00.000-03:00There seems to be an all or nothing take in many p...There seems to be an all or nothing take in many people over the UFO phenomena with even stronger for a “believe me or die” kind of attitude from abductees. I don’t necessarily think that abductees are experiencing things too far outside of “normal experiences.” By that I mean, most people have strange gaps in their memories and lots of people see strange lights in the sky or have oddball things happen to them. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t have an unusual story to tell, <BR/><BR/>UFOlogy as a field (and I’m taking the average “look” from my POV.) seems to be more interested in proving what UFOs and are and not eliminating what they are not. This is far more akin to religious scholarship than some sort of scientific pursuit. This is not to say that all UFOlogests do that or all UFOlogy is non scientific but, it’s clear much of it is utterly deficit when dealing with scientific rigors as well as having a casual disregard to the history and folklore surrounding UFOs. <BR/><BR/>Strangely enough, exactly the same two biases exist in society at large. A singular lack of understanding in scientific principles and nearly complete ignorance of their place in history.The Odd Emperorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09127387562675002576noreply@blogger.com