tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post111410835986698224..comments2023-08-15T01:24:39.187-03:00Comments on The Other Side of Truth: Whither Ufology?Paul Kimballhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1114412071572821202005-04-25T03:54:00.000-03:002005-04-25T03:54:00.000-03:00Paul,Well... Rich and I have been talking via emai...Paul,<BR/><BR/>Well... Rich and I have been talking via email, and we want to attempt a new forum dedicated to a new UFO methodology, a new UFO discourse as I like to call it.<BR/><BR/>All serious and interested UFO researchers would be invited to this forum to discuss and collectively write a statement/declaration to the broader UFO research community.<BR/><BR/>Ideally, this declaration will say that we: [1] are dissatisfied with the current division within ufology; [2] wish to move forward beyond the intra-field politics and actually make progress in studying the UFO phenomenon; and [3] have developed the following methodology to do so.<BR/><BR/>(That's a rough outline.)<BR/><BR/>As far as the methodology... I think it should be focused on the UFOs themselves with an acceptance of and tolerance for new approaches, ideas, and implications. Rich and I agree that the socio-political implications of UFO secrecy should be viable topics IF the phenomenon validates them.<BR/><BR/>If the UFO phenomenon leads us to black budgets, then it is our obligation to seriously research black budgets. If the UFO phenomenon leads us to experimental aircraft, then it is our obligation to report the appropriate conclusions.<BR/><BR/>Either way, this entire field started with sightings in the sky. Are unproven sightings enough to warrant an exopolitical investigation? Well... we shall see.<BR/><BR/>Thank you,<BR/><BR/>brad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1114391549501094002005-04-24T22:12:00.000-03:002005-04-24T22:12:00.000-03:00Brad:Anything I can do in my limited capacity as a...Brad:<BR/><BR/>Anything I can do in my limited capacity as an interested observer, just let me know.<BR/><BR/>Best regards,<BR/><BR/>PaulPaul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1114206395276388522005-04-22T18:46:00.000-03:002005-04-22T18:46:00.000-03:00Paul:Although I would never ask, "Can't we all jus...Paul:<BR/><BR/>Although I would never ask, "Can't we all just get along?" I understand why you got that impression.<BR/><BR/>That's not my point. My point is that we can continue to criticize the "wrong" methods (and I do think a political angle should be included to some degree). We can continue to reinforce the divisions currently separating the UFO research community. OR... we can re-group and re-evaluate.<BR/><BR/>Yeah, I think it would be more productive in the long-term to allow for political and social implications. But you're right: we have the greater task of researching the evidence and figuring out UFOs in the first place.<BR/><BR/>I acknowledge that.<BR/><BR/>I agree with your comments, Paul. I do. I'm just reacting to my discouragement and asking you to help. I can't remain discontent without engaging the problem.<BR/><BR/>brad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1114204129537163012005-04-22T18:08:00.000-03:002005-04-22T18:08:00.000-03:00Paul:While young Brad invites us to act according ...Paul:<BR/><BR/>While young Brad invites us to act according to Rodney King's dictum (Can't we all just get along?), I get the impression that he's suggesting we all be civil but that those who disagree with how the UFO thing has been and is shaking out should start their own forum and meeting place, even a whole new methodology.<BR/><BR/>I don't get the impression he's snarking at your comments, which are exactly right, and not a bitter invective, such as that which appear at our blog.<BR/><BR/>Rich ReynoldsRRRGrouphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04875523970644487204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1114199101951462312005-04-22T16:45:00.000-03:002005-04-22T16:45:00.000-03:00Brad:You should feel discouraged, but don't blame ...Brad:<BR/><BR/>You should feel discouraged, but don't blame me. I'm part of the solution, not part of the problem.<BR/><BR/>Alas, people like me can't work with people like Greer (he IS part of the problem), because we have nothing in common. For example, because of Greer et al, the prospect of any government hearings into the UFO question is now absolutely nil. That's the kind of damage they do. <BR/><BR/>Sometimes in life, you just have to acknowledge that not everyone can agree, that there are right and wrong ways of doing things, and that it's important to fight for the right ones, and oppose the wrong ones. It isn't a matter of ego, at least not in my case. It's a matter of knowing the difference between right and wrong.<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, the "let's just all get along" approach that you propose is what has created the mess in the first place. It's a moral (and in this case evidential)relativism all too prevalent in today's society that abdicates the responsibility for making the tough calls. <BR/><BR/>Paul KimballPaul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1114176199774199112005-04-22T10:23:00.000-03:002005-04-22T10:23:00.000-03:00Brad:Hip-hip Hooray...you have it exactly right.Le...Brad:<BR/><BR/>Hip-hip Hooray...you have it exactly right.<BR/><BR/>Let us all know when your blog is set up, and if you need anything, please don't hesitate to ask.<BR/><BR/>Rich Reynolds<BR/>http://rrrgroup.blogspot.comRRRGrouphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04875523970644487204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1114148191238740512005-04-22T02:36:00.000-03:002005-04-22T02:36:00.000-03:00How many posts have yet to be made regarding the c...How many posts have yet to be made regarding the current state of ufology? How much judgment do UFO researchers have left to pass against each other before they put aside their egos and work collectively?<BR/><BR/>I'm nineteen years old, and for the first time since I started seriously researching the UFO phenomenon about two years ago, I feel truly discouraged.<BR/><BR/>Any UFO researcher reading this has to know that this "community" cannot survive, let alone work effectively, when it is divided into multiple opposing camps. What's it going to take to start re-evaluating the entire field and begin a new UFO discourse, a new collective approach to this phenomenon?<BR/><BR/>What if Steven Greer, Stanton Friedman, and Paul Kimball could work together? Imagine the resources and expertise of each pooled into one effort, into one project in search of this so-called truth--no individual agendas or hidden goals.<BR/><BR/>Cut the intra-field politics. We're working against each other. Let's setup a message board and begin constructing a new UFO discourse, a new mode of UFO knowledge production.<BR/><BR/>Thank you,<BR/><BR/>Brad Hirn<BR/>blog in-progressAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1114116783566349882005-04-21T17:53:00.000-03:002005-04-21T17:53:00.000-03:00I've made a feature film based on MacBeth, but I a...I've made a feature film based on MacBeth, but I ain't no Shakespeare.<BR/><BR/>More like Homer Simpson...<BR/><BR/>PKPaul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1114114249280275942005-04-21T17:10:00.000-03:002005-04-21T17:10:00.000-03:00Paul:It's not what's been said but how it's been s...Paul:<BR/><BR/>It's not what's been said but how it's been said that counts.<BR/><BR/>People said lots of things before Shakespeare; things he used. But it was how he put it that made all the difference in the world.<BR/><BR/>Rich ReynoldsRRRGrouphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04875523970644487204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1114110923907275752005-04-21T16:15:00.000-03:002005-04-21T16:15:00.000-03:00Rich:I'd love to take credit for this, but there a...Rich:<BR/><BR/>I'd love to take credit for this, but there are folks who have been saying the same thing for years now. I'm just echoing them.<BR/><BR/>PaulPaul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10903320.post-1114109840998244912005-04-21T15:57:00.000-03:002005-04-21T15:57:00.000-03:00Paul:What else needs to be said? This, in a nutshe...Paul:<BR/><BR/>What else needs to be said? This, in a nutshell (well, maybe a nut word isn't the right one to use here), is exactly what ails the UFO movement.<BR/><BR/>Let those who have ears hear it, or those who have eyes, remember they saw it here first and foremost.<BR/><BR/>Rich Reynolds (who doesn't think you have a naive bone in your body)RRRGrouphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04875523970644487204noreply@blogger.com