Friday, December 29, 2006

Kal Korff and Glass Houses

Kal Korff has made a career out of exposing the allegedly false, or exaggerated claims, of others.

But what about Korff himself?

On his website, Korff claims, among many, many other things, to have been "a key, expert witness in the O.J. Simpson murder trial CIVIL lawsuit".

So I did a bit of looking, just for chuckles. Turns out he was no such thing.

Here is the list of witnesses, from Court TV's website.

Nowhere on it will you find Kal Korff's name.

So, because Korff was on the X-Zone with Rob McConnell last night, I thought I would write in and ask Korff about this.

Here is that e-mail in part, which Rob read on the air:

"Take my word for it as a lawyer - you're not a witness, and certainly not an expert one, unless you take the stand in the trial!"

Rob asked Korff about his claim to have been an expert witness - you can go to the X-Zone archives to listen to Korff's answer. What is clear is that by no definition that a lawyer would accept was Korff a witness, expert or otherwise, because he never took the stand, which is the essence of what a witness is.

Doubt me?

Here's the definition from Black's Law Dictionary, 6th edition:

"One who is called to testify before a court. One who testifies to what he has seen, heard, or otherwise observed. A person whose declaration under oath (or affirmation) is received as evidence for any purpose, whether such declaration be made on oral examination or by deposition or affidavit."

Listen to Korff's answer closely, and draw your own conclusion. To me, it's clear that the charitable interpretation is that he embellished his role (if he actually had one) in the Simpson case.

If an employer found out that you had done that on a resume, you could easily wind up on the unemployment line.

It's particularly egregious because Korff makes the claim in the context of burnishing his credentials to go after the likes of Michael Horn and Ray Santilli for consumer fraud. In short, his misleading claim to have been an "expert witness" in the Simpson trial is supposed to make him sound more credible as a person to go after people in a legal context.

And that's wrong.

Of course, Korff also claims to be a Captain in the Special Secret Services, but if you listed to a question asked to him about that on the same X-Zone show as the witness question, you'll hear him hem and haw about what that means (I was the person who e-mailed that question in as well). Apparently, despite the alleged fact that the organization has a name, implying it is in fact an organization, and despite the alleged fact that Korff has a commission from said organization, apparently there is no such organization, at least not in the "linear sense" (Korff's term, not mine) - whatever the heck that means.

After listening to the show, I can only say one thing about Kal Korff: people who challenge the credibility of other people, particularly when they are threatening them with lawsuits for consumer fraud, as Korff has done with Horn and Santilli, should make sure their own credibility is pretty much spotless.

In other words, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Paul Kimball

16 comments:

The Odd Emperor said...

I have to second that. It’s not a good idea to criticize let alone take people to court over something if one’s own house is not in order.

The Odd Emperor
http://oddempire.org

Mac said...

The K-man is even flakier than I thought. And that's saying something.

Oh, well. He'll always have CSICOP ... er, "CSI."

Anonymous said...

Dear Paul,

It is a SHAME that you did NOT bother checking either with me FIRST or dig "deep" enough to do your "researchj" justice. What is RELEVANT is NOT what Court Tv either says or does not say, what is relevant is my role in the trial. I suggest you do some REAL "research" and go ask parties that were involved.

Paul, your level of "research" here and then using it to "judge" me are outright DISGUSTING. NOWHERE did I even say what you imply, and I will address your "issues" on the XZone since i have nothing to hide.

Therefore, as I WILL prove, before YOU go around "lecturing' people about living in glass houses, why don't you instead do REAL research and dig DEEP enough.

I await a sicere apology from you, but highly doubt you will issue it. After all, what can you say other than admit the truth: Kal, I not only did not check in the right place to properly research your roll, but a better, more professional and truly objective and scientific way would be to spend more than just a few minutes searching Google."

Disgusted with your "I'm innocent, objective" (but not really) facade, Kal Korff
Yes, a REAL Captain in the Special secret Services which is no different than when the British say The Secret Services or Armed Services or Armed Forces, they do NOT identify a single, specific agency NOR IS NONE INFERRED.

The specific details of who and what entities I work for are under wraps until Secret Wars comes out.

What you or anyone "believes" or not, doesn't matter and won;t change things.

Kal

Paul Kimball said...

Kal:

Did you testify, under oath, at the trial?

No.

Then you weren't a witness, expert or otherwise, and it is disingenous of you to indicate that you were.

End of story.

Paul Kimball

Anonymous said...

NO, Paul, it is NOT!

Just because YOU have declared "end of story" only means that YOU have declared it so. You are not "God" in case you didn't notice.

I was a witness. I was not called to testify. Not all witnesses are need in court. This is a FACT, Paul. Just like it is a FACT that I provided the expert testimony to tear down and tear apart Groden's testimony.

I notice you di NOT address the obvious: that you put words in my mouth. Saying I never testified at the trial. Well, no duh, I specifically said WHY I did not need to. The fact this happened at all is what is RELEVANT, NOT what you consider to be a "witness".

Lastly, what someone calls themselves has nothing to do with what Michael Horn choses to do. That's like saying just because Paul Kimball looked in the wrong place, the rhino population is declining. The two are not related.

Paul, I look forward very much to exposing your false claims before everyone who will listen on the radio and see this on the web.

Furthermore, I challenge you to deny or dare say I am lying about my role in the Simpson case. That would be libel and slander.

I have no problem getting the right parties under oath on this, and to show you just show screwed up your perspective is, I noticed you did not address the secret services armed services The forces remark, just like you may have founded Red Star Films, but over here where I live and in MOST of the rest of the world, "Red Star" means something else entirely.

This is a great analogy for how different your "perspective" truly is.

Kal

Paul Kimball said...

Mr. Korff:

So now you're trying to smear me as a communist? Pathetic.

For the last time - I went to law school; you did not. I don't claim to be the world's greatest legal mind, but I do know the basics. For example, I know what a witness is; you obviously do not. It is disingenuous for you to claim that you were a witness.

That's not me saying it - that's Black's, which is the creme de la creme of legal dictionaries. But, as that was apprently not enough, here are some more:

From Oran's Dictionary of the Law, 2nd Edition:

"Witness: 1. A person who observes an occurrence (such as an accident), an event, or the signing of a document. 2. A person who makes a sworn (under oath statement that can be used as evidence (in a court, legislature, hearing, etc.). 3. For material witness and expert witness, see those words."

Fair enough - let's check "expert witness", which is what you claimed to be:

"Expert witness: A person possessing special knowledge who is allowed to testify at a trial not only about facts (like an ordinary witness) but also about the professional conclusions he or she draws from these facts."

Note that the word "testify" was bolded in the dictionary, and not by me. If you don't understand why, I'm not inclined to explain it to you, although I would suggest that anyone who is relying on your legal "expertise" should be wary.

Still, I suppose two definitions might not be enough for you, so here's a third, from The Canadian Law Dictionary by an old professor of mine, John Yogis:

"Witness: One who gives evidence in a cause before a court and who attests or swears to facts or gives or bears testimony under oath."

I understand, however, that these legal dictionaries might be confusing to you - further, given the whole "commie" tactic you used above, you'll no doubt respond by smearing lawyers in some way.

Just in case, I thought I would check a non-law dictionary (despite the fact that a law dictionary is where most people would look). Guess what?

From The Gage Canadian Dictionary:

"Witness: 1. A person who is present when something happens; one who has direct or first-hand knowledge of an event. 2. a person who gives evidence or testifies under oath before a judge, coroner, etc. 3. evidence, testimony. 4. A person who signs a documetn to show that another person's signature on it is genuine. bear witness, be evidence,; give evidence; testify."

While you may not understand the legal definition (i.e. the only proper one), apparently Gage's did. So did other dictionaries I checked.

So, for the last time - you were not a witness, expert or otherwise, because you were never called to testify. You could easily rectify this error by stating that you were a potential witness, and then providing sources to back up that claim, but that you were never called; or that you were a consultant, and again providing sources. But no - you continue to insist you were an expert witness, when you were no such thing.

You did not provide expert testimony, as you assert, because you were never called to give testimony (do you even know what that word means??).

It's a good thing I came to the conclusion that the Meier case was a fraud independent of your work, because if I was relying on what you had written, based on what I have read here, I would have serious cause to reconsider my conclusions.

As for exposing my "false" claims, go ahead - make this more public than it is. I suspect that you'll find very few people, at least among that portion of the populace who can actually read, who will agree with you.

And for anyone reading this who thinks to themselves "why quibble over a seemingly little thing like the definition of 'witness'" I would only say that words matter, and how you use them matter. They have meanings, and if a person uses them improperly, especially in the law, it has consequences. As I said above, if you used a different term, then and now, there would be no problem or issue between us on this point. But you didn't, and you persist in referring to yourself as a witness when you were not. Exactly the kind of thing you're always criticizing others for.

As I said before, the only conclusion I can draw from this is that you and Michael Horn deserve each other.

As for the "special secret services", in which you claim to hold a commission as a captain, nothing you have said makes any logical sense. For example, if I had walked up to Karl Pflock and asked him "did you do intelligence work", he could have answered, "yes, I did." If I had followed up with, "for whom", he would have said the Central Intelligence Agency, not the secret services. So too would someone who worked for CSIS, for example. If I asked my brother-in-law whether he was a captain, he would say "yes". And then I would follow it up with, "in what service" - he might say the Canadian Armed Forces, but he would probably say the Canadian Army. He would certainly give that answer if I pressed him for the exact organization.

Not so you. Still some non-linear, amorphous "special secret services". Forgive me if I remain less than convinced until I see some actual evidence that you have a commission, and that you really work for a real organization.

Paul Kimball

Dan Asher said...

If I can weigh in as an impartial observer, it seems to me that mr Korff displays all the traits of a pathological liar and/or paranormal con man when caught out and desperately trying to defend his lies. As a voracious reader of all things UFOlogical I've seen it time and time again. The emphatic CAPITALISATON of certain words, as if this makes the statement somehow more authoritive, consistent typographical errors made in the mad panic of damage control, references to nebulous, unverifiable secret organisations, the implication of esoteric knowledge of some vague impending doom, the obligatory irrelevant and unfounded personal swipe at the protagonist (the communist implication) and seemingly accepting the challenge of being able to defend and justify his wild claims (at a later, as yet unspecified date). I find it terribly disconcerting to think that this man is purporting to be a defender of truth or accountability in the ufological scene. It's little wonder that the subject is still held in contempt from a mainstream perspective.

Anonymous said...

Long Live KARL KORFF!

He's one "SAPSTOE in the KNOW"!

Anonymous said...

KK sounds like he's nuts to me. He also sounds a lot like Bob Lazar.
Francis Holloway

Paul Kimball said...

Dan:

It's little wonder that the subject is still held in contempt from a mainstream perspective.

Indeed!

Thanks for popping by.

Paul

Laura Knight Jadczyk said...

Rec this morning:

Subject: Web Enquiry from arkadiusz-jadczyk.org
Date sent: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 23:34:03 +0200 (CEST)

Name: Avim Ashkenazi
Company: Special Secret Services, -- Israel
Telephone:
emailaddress: kalkorff@kalkorff.com

YourEnquiry: Your wife writes that Col. Korff was not a witness in the OJ Simpson civil case. Truth: Mr. Korff certainly WAS a witness. Col. Korff never claimed he appeared before any judge. Mr. Kimball's claim is dishonest.

I'm sening this email as a friendly "warning" -- we presume you will take steps to promptly CORRECT these false claims your wife made without conducting any diligence.

If you do not do so, I will forward this matter to our legal counsel for immediate action.

We wish to resolve this matter amicably, and avoid informing the media and filing suit.

Sincerely,
Avim Ashkenazi
Adjutant to Colonel Kal Korff -- Warrant Officer, Special Secret Services - Israel

REMOTE_ADDR: 194.79.55.130
HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30)
DATE: 23:34:3 2007-8-6

**********
Needless to say, we had a good chuckle. Hard to believe that silly people like this are considered "experts" by anyone.

Anonymous said...

Interesting IP address. Too bad it's in the Czech Republic and not Israel. It might have had a tad more credibility.

As far Kal... I used to work with him at Boeing. He always seemed one or two clicks off true then. I can tell you for sure tho.. that during the Simpson trial.. he was up in Seattle.. and nowhere near that courthouse.

Kal.. you need meds buddy.. seriously..

Anonymous said...

Sounds like KK is short one K and simply has an exaggerated case of little dickitis.

Anonymous said...

Is this what is meant when someone says "the wheel is turning but the hamster's dead?"

Anonymous said...

I am a highly advanced assassination android from the future sent back in time to kill John Connor the leader of the human resistance in the future.

its true i swear, and i don't have to prove shit. i leave it up to you to look in the right places and prove it for me. ahaha

honestly, you're all retards. why would anyone put effort into refuting anything this guy says?

Anonymous said...

From Ufo Updates 1997!

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/1998/mar/m13-025.shtml

Kal Korff in his own words;
"...For the record, as my new book on Roswell due out shortly proves, I was also a consultant for the Prosecution on the O.J. Simpson case. I resigned, however, after seeing how inept they were -- much like several "UFOlogists" I know."

Consultant, not expert witness. Korff contradicts himself.